Genealogical history of David Thomas Harvey
Early photograph of the author taken in about 1950 shortly after starting at Mapledene Infants and Junior School in Sheldon, Birmingham, Warwickshire. He was born on the 9th March 1944 and is the only child of William Harvey and Dorothy Harvey. He currently lives in Tamworth, Staffordshire with his wife Christine.
Great Grandparents, Grandparents, Parents and their Children.
Pictured left are my mothers maternal grandparents William John Mayne Knott and his wife Kate Knott nee Smit). They were married in 1876. This photograph is an extract from a family group photograph taken when the family lived at 28 Cheapside, Stourport. The photograph was probably taken around the turn of the century or at least the early 1900's. William John Mayne-Knott was born in 1854 and died in 1922. His wife Kate was born in 1857 and died in 1911. Both William John Mayne Knott and his wife Kate were born in Worcestershire. Following the death of his wife, William John Mayne Knott later married Emma Langley on the 20th October 1918 in the parish church of Forthampton in the county of Glouceser.
The 1881 census (RG11/3027) finds the family living in the Hamlett of Duddeston and Nechells, Birmingham. The census list him as aged 26 Yrs. of age and employed as a Cooper. His wife Kate, is 24 Yrs. of age. The census lists two children Evelyn, birthplace Worcester - Stourport aged 3 Yrs and Beatrice, birthplace Warwick - Birmingham age 1 Yr .
The 1901 Census (RG13/2769) finds the family living at 28 Cheapside, Lower Mitton, Stourport on Severn, In additIon to Evelyn aged 23 Yrs and Beatrice age 21 Yrs there are another 5 children - Leonard age 16 Yrs, Kate age 14 Yrs, Ethel age 12 Yrs, Harold age 10 Yrs and Reginald age 9 Yrs. William is still working as a Cooper and Kate as a Dressmaker. Evelyn and Beatrice appear as working as Curtain Finishers. Leonard is working as a Cooper and Kate working as an Errand Girl.
The 1911 Census finds the family still living at the same address. William is now a Foreman Cooper, Kate is no longer working, Leonard is still working as a Cooper also Reginald is now working as a Cooper. Ethel is now a Weaver and Harold is working as a Commercial Clerk. This census also declares that the number of children born alive was 9 and those still living was 7.
The 1881 census (RG11/3027) finds the family living in the Hamlett of Duddeston and Nechells, Birmingham. The census list him as aged 26 Yrs. of age and employed as a Cooper. His wife Kate, is 24 Yrs. of age. The census lists two children Evelyn, birthplace Worcester - Stourport aged 3 Yrs and Beatrice, birthplace Warwick - Birmingham age 1 Yr .
The 1901 Census (RG13/2769) finds the family living at 28 Cheapside, Lower Mitton, Stourport on Severn, In additIon to Evelyn aged 23 Yrs and Beatrice age 21 Yrs there are another 5 children - Leonard age 16 Yrs, Kate age 14 Yrs, Ethel age 12 Yrs, Harold age 10 Yrs and Reginald age 9 Yrs. William is still working as a Cooper and Kate as a Dressmaker. Evelyn and Beatrice appear as working as Curtain Finishers. Leonard is working as a Cooper and Kate working as an Errand Girl.
The 1911 Census finds the family still living at the same address. William is now a Foreman Cooper, Kate is no longer working, Leonard is still working as a Cooper also Reginald is now working as a Cooper. Ethel is now a Weaver and Harold is working as a Commercial Clerk. This census also declares that the number of children born alive was 9 and those still living was 7.
Pictured left are my mothers paternal grandparents Samuel Uncles and his wife Lydia Uncles nee Hartwell. They were married in 1867. The photograph was taken in the garden of their home at Stourport, Worcestershire probably in the early 1900's. Samuel Uncles was born in 1848 and died in 1921. His wife, Lydia was born in 1846 and died in 1934.
The 1861 census (RG9/2078) finds Samuel Uncles at home with his parents, Samuel Uncles and Mary Ann Uncles nee Bell. Samuel Uncles Jnr is working as a cutter at a carpet power loom. His age is given as 15 Yrs. The home address is 58 Bromsgrove Street, Kidderminster.
The 1871 census (RG10/3033) shows the family living at 8 Bird Lane, Kidderminster. It lists Samuel aged 24 Yrs of age working as a W'std Carpet Weaver. Lydia is aged 24 Yrs of age and is not working. Their son Amos, as aged 2 Yrs of age.
The 1881 census (RG11/2935) finds Samuel Uncles aged 33 Yrs and living at Belle Vue Terrace, Upper Mitton. He is still employed as a Carpet Weaver. Also listed is Lydia aged 34 Yrs, Alice aged 9 Yrs, Amos aged 7 Yrs, and Edith aged 5 Yrs. The birthplace for all the family is shown as Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
The 1891 census (RG12/2317) lists Samuel Uncles as 42 Yrs of age, Lydia Uncles as 43 Yrs of age, Alice Uncles as 19 Yrs of age, Amos Uncles as 17 Yrs of age, Edith Uncles as 15 Yrs of age, Thomas Uncles as 9 Yrs of age. The family are living at 26 Lower Mitton, Stourport. Edith Uncles (daughter) died in qtr 2, 1891 possibly in the influenza epidemic of that year.
The 1901 census (RG13/2769) only lists Samuel, Lydia and Thomas Uncles. Their address is still 26 Mitton Street, Lower Mitton, Stourport. Amos Uncles isn't shown on this census, and as we later discovered, had emigrated to USA in 1893 at 19 Yrs of age.
The 1911 census only lists Samuel and Lydia Uncles, both aged 64 Yrs. Their address is still given as 26 Mitton Street, Stourport. Occupation still shows Tobacconist and General Dealer.
The 1861 census (RG9/2078) finds Samuel Uncles at home with his parents, Samuel Uncles and Mary Ann Uncles nee Bell. Samuel Uncles Jnr is working as a cutter at a carpet power loom. His age is given as 15 Yrs. The home address is 58 Bromsgrove Street, Kidderminster.
The 1871 census (RG10/3033) shows the family living at 8 Bird Lane, Kidderminster. It lists Samuel aged 24 Yrs of age working as a W'std Carpet Weaver. Lydia is aged 24 Yrs of age and is not working. Their son Amos, as aged 2 Yrs of age.
The 1881 census (RG11/2935) finds Samuel Uncles aged 33 Yrs and living at Belle Vue Terrace, Upper Mitton. He is still employed as a Carpet Weaver. Also listed is Lydia aged 34 Yrs, Alice aged 9 Yrs, Amos aged 7 Yrs, and Edith aged 5 Yrs. The birthplace for all the family is shown as Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
The 1891 census (RG12/2317) lists Samuel Uncles as 42 Yrs of age, Lydia Uncles as 43 Yrs of age, Alice Uncles as 19 Yrs of age, Amos Uncles as 17 Yrs of age, Edith Uncles as 15 Yrs of age, Thomas Uncles as 9 Yrs of age. The family are living at 26 Lower Mitton, Stourport. Edith Uncles (daughter) died in qtr 2, 1891 possibly in the influenza epidemic of that year.
The 1901 census (RG13/2769) only lists Samuel, Lydia and Thomas Uncles. Their address is still 26 Mitton Street, Lower Mitton, Stourport. Amos Uncles isn't shown on this census, and as we later discovered, had emigrated to USA in 1893 at 19 Yrs of age.
The 1911 census only lists Samuel and Lydia Uncles, both aged 64 Yrs. Their address is still given as 26 Mitton Street, Stourport. Occupation still shows Tobacconist and General Dealer.
My father's maternal grandparents were Thomas Blackmore and Ellen Blackmore nee Nicholls. They were married in 1862. Thomas Blackmore was born in 1838 and died in 1893. His wife, Ellen was born in 1838 and died in 1916.
A look inside the 1891 census finds the Blackmore family living at 24 Wrentham Street, Birmingham.
It shows that both Thomas and Ellen were aged 53 Yrs. Thomas was employed as a gardener. His birthplace is shown as Devon - Exeter (later research shows this to be Barnstaple - Devon). Ellen, his wife, is at home and gives her birthplace as Warwickshire - Marston Green. They have 8 children, the eldest 5 were born in Radnorshire - Presteigne. The remaining 3 younger children were all born in Warwickshire - Birmingham. Their daughter Ellen, (who later married Albert Harvey) was aged 16 Yrs and employed as a tailoress. She was born in Radnorshire - Presteigne.
My father's paternal grandparents were Harry Edward Harvey and his wife Mary Ann Harvey nee Bowen They were married in 1862. Harry Edward Harvey was born in 1842 and died in 1928 age 86 Yrs. His wife, Mary was born in 1844 and died in 1924 age 80 Yrs.
A look inside the 1891 census finds the Harvey family living at 49 Edwardes Street, Kings Norton, Balsall Heath, Worcestershire.
It shows that Harry Edward Harvey was aged 49 Yrs and Mary Ann Harvey was aged 47 Yrs. Harry was employed as a Shoemaker and gives his birthplace as Warwickshire - Birmingham. His wife, Mary was employed as a Dressmaker and gives her birthplace as Hereford - Bromyard. They have 2 sons, William and Albert aged 21 Yrs and 17 Yrs respectively. William was employed as a Printing Machine Minder and Albert as a Machinist. Both born in Warwickshire - Birmingham. Their younger son, Albert, later married Ellen Blackmore.
Unfortunately there are no photographs of either of these great grandparents.
A look inside the 1891 census finds the Blackmore family living at 24 Wrentham Street, Birmingham.
It shows that both Thomas and Ellen were aged 53 Yrs. Thomas was employed as a gardener. His birthplace is shown as Devon - Exeter (later research shows this to be Barnstaple - Devon). Ellen, his wife, is at home and gives her birthplace as Warwickshire - Marston Green. They have 8 children, the eldest 5 were born in Radnorshire - Presteigne. The remaining 3 younger children were all born in Warwickshire - Birmingham. Their daughter Ellen, (who later married Albert Harvey) was aged 16 Yrs and employed as a tailoress. She was born in Radnorshire - Presteigne.
My father's paternal grandparents were Harry Edward Harvey and his wife Mary Ann Harvey nee Bowen They were married in 1862. Harry Edward Harvey was born in 1842 and died in 1928 age 86 Yrs. His wife, Mary was born in 1844 and died in 1924 age 80 Yrs.
A look inside the 1891 census finds the Harvey family living at 49 Edwardes Street, Kings Norton, Balsall Heath, Worcestershire.
It shows that Harry Edward Harvey was aged 49 Yrs and Mary Ann Harvey was aged 47 Yrs. Harry was employed as a Shoemaker and gives his birthplace as Warwickshire - Birmingham. His wife, Mary was employed as a Dressmaker and gives her birthplace as Hereford - Bromyard. They have 2 sons, William and Albert aged 21 Yrs and 17 Yrs respectively. William was employed as a Printing Machine Minder and Albert as a Machinist. Both born in Warwickshire - Birmingham. Their younger son, Albert, later married Ellen Blackmore.
Unfortunately there are no photographs of either of these great grandparents.
Pictured left are my mothers parents, Thomas Uncles and Beatrice Mary Mayne Uncles nee Mayne Knott. The photograph was taken in 1931. Thomas Uncles was born the 3rd May 1881 at Belle View Cottages, Upper Mitton, Worcestershire. Thomas was the youngest child of Samuel and Lydia Uncles. The others being Edith, Amos and Alice. His wife Beatrice, was born in Aston, Birmingham in 1879. She was the 2nd eldest child of 7 children of William John Mayne Knott and his wife Kate.
They were married 4th June 1906 at the Parish Church, Lower Mitton, Worcestershire. They had two children, Dorothy Evelyn and John Thomas. Thomas Uncles died in 1951 and Beatrice died in 1980.
They were married 4th June 1906 at the Parish Church, Lower Mitton, Worcestershire. They had two children, Dorothy Evelyn and John Thomas. Thomas Uncles died in 1951 and Beatrice died in 1980.
My father's parents were Albert Harvey and Ellen Harvey nee Blackmore. Albert Harvey was born in 1874 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. His wife Ellen, was born in 1875 in Presteigne, Radnorshire. They were married in 1893 on the 11th June at Christ Church, Sparkbrook, Warwickshire. Albert Harvey died in 1915 aged 41 Yrs. His wife Ellen, died in 1957 aged 83 Yrs. Albert and Ellen Harvey had 8 children but only 5 survived. A daughter, Louisa died in 1905 aged 7 Yrs. The 1911 census shows that 3 children had died. This would have been Louisa plus another two who possibly died at birth.
Unfortunately there are no photographs of either of these grandparents.
Unfortunately there are no photographs of either of these grandparents.
The picture shows the authors parents, William Harvey and Dorothy Evelyn Harvey nee Uncles. The picture was taken about 1956 at the family home, 23 Morestead Avenue, Sheldon, Birmingham. William Harvey was born on the 25th September 1901 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. My mother, Dorothy Evelyn Uncles was born at Llanelly, Carmarthenshire on the 26th August 1908. William Harvey died in 1984 and Dorothy Harvey died in 1990. My father had another child, Gertrude Ellen Harvey from an earlier marriage to Gertrude Gladys Palmer. His first wife died in 1935. His daughter Gertrude Ellen Harvey (Trudie) from this marriage also died in 1984.
Home and Family Life.
The Mayne Knott Family
My mother’s maternal grandparents were William John Mayne Knott and his wife Kate. A look inside the 1861 census finds William at home with his parents Richard and Harriett. The family are living at Melbourne Terrace, Claines, Worcester.
The census shows William is aged 7 Yrs and lists his birthplace as Stourport, Worcester. His father, John Knott is aged 40 Yrs and working as a Cooper. His birthplace is shown as Cleobury Mortimer, Salop. His mother, Harriett is aged 39 Yrs and is not working. Her birthplace is Diddlebury, Salop.
Research has shown that the family name “Knott” mainly originates from Salop (later known as Shropshire). Furthermore, most of the male family members were Coopers - a tradition carried on with this family and indeed nearly all the male children of William Mayne Knott and Kate Knott were Coopers.
The name “Mayne” has led to some confusion. The earliest reference to the name "Mayne" has been found in a Baptism Record dated 1813. The parents Richard and Harriett Knott had their son Baptised “Richard Mayne Knott” at Worcester by Rev James Byron. Various theories as to the origin of this name have been suggested in the family in past years. The most feasible is that at some stage prior to early 1800’s or the mid to late 1700’s a marriage took place between children of two families, the brides surname being” Mayne” and the grooms name being “Knott”. The bride’s family insisted that because she was the only child, the surname “Mayne” was to be used in addition to the marriage name of “Knott”.
At the time of writing further research is on-going in order to verify this fact.
My mother’s maternal grandparents were William John Mayne Knott and his wife Kate. A look inside the 1861 census finds William at home with his parents Richard and Harriett. The family are living at Melbourne Terrace, Claines, Worcester.
The census shows William is aged 7 Yrs and lists his birthplace as Stourport, Worcester. His father, John Knott is aged 40 Yrs and working as a Cooper. His birthplace is shown as Cleobury Mortimer, Salop. His mother, Harriett is aged 39 Yrs and is not working. Her birthplace is Diddlebury, Salop.
Research has shown that the family name “Knott” mainly originates from Salop (later known as Shropshire). Furthermore, most of the male family members were Coopers - a tradition carried on with this family and indeed nearly all the male children of William Mayne Knott and Kate Knott were Coopers.
The name “Mayne” has led to some confusion. The earliest reference to the name "Mayne" has been found in a Baptism Record dated 1813. The parents Richard and Harriett Knott had their son Baptised “Richard Mayne Knott” at Worcester by Rev James Byron. Various theories as to the origin of this name have been suggested in the family in past years. The most feasible is that at some stage prior to early 1800’s or the mid to late 1700’s a marriage took place between children of two families, the brides surname being” Mayne” and the grooms name being “Knott”. The bride’s family insisted that because she was the only child, the surname “Mayne” was to be used in addition to the marriage name of “Knott”.
At the time of writing further research is on-going in order to verify this fact.
Pictured left is an early photograph of William John Mayne Knott. Date of photograph unknown.
The 1881 census finds the family (William, Kate and their two daughters Evelyn and Beatrice) living 65 Ashted Row, Aston, Birmingham. Evelyn is aged 3yrs and lists her birthplace as Stourport. Beatrice is aged 1yr and lists her birthplace as Warwick – Birmingham.
At some time William would have moved probably as part of his work from Stourport to Birmingham. As a Cooper, he would in all probability have worked at the Vinegar Factory in Stourport. In 1879 this factory became incorporated with The Birmingham Vinegar Brewery Company. The birth of Beatrice born in 1879 would have coincided with the time her father working in Birmingham. The 1901 census finds the family back in Stourport living at 28 Cheapside. Their eldest son, Leonard is aged 16rs (born at Stourport) and also working as a Cooper.
Included in the pictures gallery that support family history are images of Ashted Row and Holbrooks Sauce Factory. The pictures show the area at a much later time than the census date of 1881 - probably dating from around the mid 1950's. Pictures by courtesy of contributors to the Birmingham History Forum.
At some stage, the family had left Birmingham – this interim period of years between 1879 and 1885 would have seen the loss of another two children (the 1911 census declares that two children had died). The 1911 census shows that William and his son's Leonard and Reginald were Coopers at the Vinegar Makers in Stourport. His other son, Harold is working as a Commercial Clerk.
The 1881 census finds the family (William, Kate and their two daughters Evelyn and Beatrice) living 65 Ashted Row, Aston, Birmingham. Evelyn is aged 3yrs and lists her birthplace as Stourport. Beatrice is aged 1yr and lists her birthplace as Warwick – Birmingham.
At some time William would have moved probably as part of his work from Stourport to Birmingham. As a Cooper, he would in all probability have worked at the Vinegar Factory in Stourport. In 1879 this factory became incorporated with The Birmingham Vinegar Brewery Company. The birth of Beatrice born in 1879 would have coincided with the time her father working in Birmingham. The 1901 census finds the family back in Stourport living at 28 Cheapside. Their eldest son, Leonard is aged 16rs (born at Stourport) and also working as a Cooper.
Included in the pictures gallery that support family history are images of Ashted Row and Holbrooks Sauce Factory. The pictures show the area at a much later time than the census date of 1881 - probably dating from around the mid 1950's. Pictures by courtesy of contributors to the Birmingham History Forum.
At some stage, the family had left Birmingham – this interim period of years between 1879 and 1885 would have seen the loss of another two children (the 1911 census declares that two children had died). The 1911 census shows that William and his son's Leonard and Reginald were Coopers at the Vinegar Makers in Stourport. His other son, Harold is working as a Commercial Clerk.
Shown above is a family group photograph of the Mayne Knott Family taken at 28 Cheapside, Stourport.. The photograph would probably have been taken at the turn of the century and certainly not later than 1911. Kate died in 1911 - there is some conflict between the information shown on the 1911 census and the BMD index - the census lists her age as 53 Yrs and the BMD index show her age at death as 55 Yrs. In all probability looking at the dress of the younger children the photograph was more likely to be between 1900 and 1906. The very young girl standing between Evelyn and her father, William is unknown.
Pictured in the above photograph are: - Standing back row from left to right Ethel, Kate, Beatrice and Leonard; Seated middle row left to right unknown, Evelyn, William John Mayne Knott, Kate Knott; Seated front row Harold and Reginald.
Pictured in the above photograph are: - Standing back row from left to right Ethel, Kate, Beatrice and Leonard; Seated middle row left to right unknown, Evelyn, William John Mayne Knott, Kate Knott; Seated front row Harold and Reginald.
The Uncles Family
My mother's paternal grandfather was Samuel Uncles. Samuel Uncles was the second eldest child of Samuel and Mary Uncles nee Bell. A look inside the 1851 census shows the family living at 51 Waterloo Street, Kidderminster. Samuel Jnr as aged 4 Yrs. He had an elder sister, Sarah aged 9 Yrs and two younger sisters, Maria aged 2 Yrs and Eliza aged 3 months.
The 1861 census finds Samuel Uncles still at home with his parents at 58 Bromsgrove Street, Kidderminster. His elder sister, Sarah is not listed but he now has another brother, Henry James Uncles aged 2 Yrs. Samuel Uncles Jnr is working as a cutter at a carpet power loom. His age is given as 15 Yrs. A look at the 1871 census shows the family are living at Bird Lane, St Mary, Kidderminster the family are the same except Samuel junior has left home and married Lydia Hartwell. A further look at the 1871 census shows Samuel and Lydia Uncles are living at 2 Union Terrace, Kidderminster. It lists Samuel aged 24 Yrs of age working as a W'std Carpet Weaver. Lydia is aged 24 Yrs of age and is not working. Their son Amos, as aged 2 Yrs. A look at the 1881 census shows the family living at Belle Vue Terrace, Upper Mitton. He is still employed as a Carpet Weaver. Also listed is Lydia aged 34 Yrs, Alice aged 9 Yrs, Amos aged 7 Yrs, and Edith aged 5 Yrs. The birthplace for all the family is shown
as Kidderminster, Worcestershire. My grandfather, Thomas Uncles was not born until May of that year.
The 1891 census shows all the family with the exception of Lydia and Thomas Uncles were employed at the Carpet Factory in Kidderminster. The farmily were living at 26 Lower Mitton, Stourport. Sadly Edith Uncles died qtr2 of this year aged 15 Yrs possibly as a result of the influenza epidemic.
My mother's paternal grandfather was Samuel Uncles. Samuel Uncles was the second eldest child of Samuel and Mary Uncles nee Bell. A look inside the 1851 census shows the family living at 51 Waterloo Street, Kidderminster. Samuel Jnr as aged 4 Yrs. He had an elder sister, Sarah aged 9 Yrs and two younger sisters, Maria aged 2 Yrs and Eliza aged 3 months.
The 1861 census finds Samuel Uncles still at home with his parents at 58 Bromsgrove Street, Kidderminster. His elder sister, Sarah is not listed but he now has another brother, Henry James Uncles aged 2 Yrs. Samuel Uncles Jnr is working as a cutter at a carpet power loom. His age is given as 15 Yrs. A look at the 1871 census shows the family are living at Bird Lane, St Mary, Kidderminster the family are the same except Samuel junior has left home and married Lydia Hartwell. A further look at the 1871 census shows Samuel and Lydia Uncles are living at 2 Union Terrace, Kidderminster. It lists Samuel aged 24 Yrs of age working as a W'std Carpet Weaver. Lydia is aged 24 Yrs of age and is not working. Their son Amos, as aged 2 Yrs. A look at the 1881 census shows the family living at Belle Vue Terrace, Upper Mitton. He is still employed as a Carpet Weaver. Also listed is Lydia aged 34 Yrs, Alice aged 9 Yrs, Amos aged 7 Yrs, and Edith aged 5 Yrs. The birthplace for all the family is shown
as Kidderminster, Worcestershire. My grandfather, Thomas Uncles was not born until May of that year.
The 1891 census shows all the family with the exception of Lydia and Thomas Uncles were employed at the Carpet Factory in Kidderminster. The farmily were living at 26 Lower Mitton, Stourport. Sadly Edith Uncles died qtr2 of this year aged 15 Yrs possibly as a result of the influenza epidemic.
Research suggests that Samuel Uncles may have worked firstly at the Brintons Carpet Factory in Kidderminster until and including 1881. After this time the family have moved and are now in Lower Mitton, Stourport possibly working at the Bond Worth Carpet factory. Bond Worth carpet factory was situated by the canal basin which is in the same vicinity as Mitton Street.
Historical note - the hamlets of Upper and Lower Mitton eventually merged to become Stourport.
The 1891 census shows the family living at 26 Lower Mitton , Stourport. Various trade directories for 1892, 1900, 1904, 1906, 1908,1912,1916,1919 and 1921 list Samuel Uncles, tobacconist, at 26 Mitton Street. In 1924 the shop was being run by Mrs Lydia Uncles and she also listed as being there in 1928.
Historical note - the hamlets of Upper and Lower Mitton eventually merged to become Stourport.
The 1891 census shows the family living at 26 Lower Mitton , Stourport. Various trade directories for 1892, 1900, 1904, 1906, 1908,1912,1916,1919 and 1921 list Samuel Uncles, tobacconist, at 26 Mitton Street. In 1924 the shop was being run by Mrs Lydia Uncles and she also listed as being there in 1928.
The picture shows the view looking down Hurcott Road, Kidderminster. The row of houses to the right is Union Terrace. The picture is taken from a postcard dated 1909.
The 1871 census shows the Uncles family living at 2 Union Terrace. Samuel's wife's family (Lydia Uncles formerly Hartwell) lived at 15 Union Terrace.
Photograph and other information by courtesy of the Kidderminster Civic Society (Historic Kidderminster Project Ref:447).
The 1871 census shows the Uncles family living at 2 Union Terrace. Samuel's wife's family (Lydia Uncles formerly Hartwell) lived at 15 Union Terrace.
Photograph and other information by courtesy of the Kidderminster Civic Society (Historic Kidderminster Project Ref:447).
The photograph left shows the author's mother, Dorothy Evelyn Uncles (extreme right), her brother (middle of picture) John Thomas Uncles and seated, extreme left is the author's great grandmother Lydia Uncles. The photograph would have been taken between 1928 - 1934. The person seated second from the left is unknown.
Samuel and Lydia Uncles are buried in the local churchyard (St Michael's). Samuel and Lydia Uncles are buried in Section 8 Row H plot 57. He died on 4th April 1921 age 73 and she died on 6th March 1934 age 87.
The 1901 census shows Thomas Uncles, the youngest child of Samuel and Lydia Uncles living at home with his parents. He's 19 Yrs of age and gives his occupation as a Tin Plate Worker. A look at various maps for this period show that there were Tin Plate Works, Iron Foundries local to where they lived where he could have worked. At some stage after the 1901 census, he moved to Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. At the time of his marriage to Beatrice Mary Mayne Knott (4th June 1906) he lists his place of residence as Llanelly. He's still working in this industry as a Tin Smith.
Research shows that between 1860 until pre WW1, Llanelly became a major centre for the manufacture and export of Tin Plate. Almost certainly, Thomas Uncles would have worked at one of these centres or factories. At one stage Llanelly was known as "Tinopolis" because of its role as a major centre for the tin plate industry. Shortly after their marriage Thomas and Beatrice moved to Llanelly.
The 1901 census shows Thomas Uncles, the youngest child of Samuel and Lydia Uncles living at home with his parents. He's 19 Yrs of age and gives his occupation as a Tin Plate Worker. A look at various maps for this period show that there were Tin Plate Works, Iron Foundries local to where they lived where he could have worked. At some stage after the 1901 census, he moved to Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. At the time of his marriage to Beatrice Mary Mayne Knott (4th June 1906) he lists his place of residence as Llanelly. He's still working in this industry as a Tin Smith.
Research shows that between 1860 until pre WW1, Llanelly became a major centre for the manufacture and export of Tin Plate. Almost certainly, Thomas Uncles would have worked at one of these centres or factories. At one stage Llanelly was known as "Tinopolis" because of its role as a major centre for the tin plate industry. Shortly after their marriage Thomas and Beatrice moved to Llanelly.
Pictured left is an early photograph of my grandmother and the author's mother. The photograph was taken around 1908 - 1909, probably shortly after her birth. The picture was taken at Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
The family returned to Birmingham in about 1910. The 1911 Census list Thomas Uncles, his wife Beatrice and children Dorothy and John Thomas living at 29 Windsor Road, Stirchley. Thomas is working as a Tinsmith for a Motor Manufacturer.
The electoral register for 1912 finds the family have moved and now living at 8 Mill Lane, Northfield. At some later stage they moved to Rawlings Road, Bearwood.
Thomas and Beatrice Uncles eventually moved to 294 Hobs Moat Road, Solihull and remained at this address until the death of my grandfather in 1951. He is buried at St Giles Church, Sheldon, Birmingham. His wife Beatrice was cremated after her death in 1980 at Yardley, Birmingham.
The family returned to Birmingham in about 1910. The 1911 Census list Thomas Uncles, his wife Beatrice and children Dorothy and John Thomas living at 29 Windsor Road, Stirchley. Thomas is working as a Tinsmith for a Motor Manufacturer.
The electoral register for 1912 finds the family have moved and now living at 8 Mill Lane, Northfield. At some later stage they moved to Rawlings Road, Bearwood.
Thomas and Beatrice Uncles eventually moved to 294 Hobs Moat Road, Solihull and remained at this address until the death of my grandfather in 1951. He is buried at St Giles Church, Sheldon, Birmingham. His wife Beatrice was cremated after her death in 1980 at Yardley, Birmingham.
The Blackmore Family
My father's maternal grandparents were Thomas Blackmore and Ellen Blackmore nee Nicholls
Initially, the Blackmore family seemed to present no significant problems or challenges in researching their history, however, as research progressed it became obvious that this was not the case. As with all research into family history, details of parents and their children going backwards as well as forwards are always worth checking - this has proved to be very much the case in this instance. A number of 1841 census reports have been examined and conflicting or confusing details have emerged. The information shown on the 1851 census triggered more research into William Blackmore's military history - details of which are shown on the page covering researching our Great Great Grandparents and the Historical Notes.
Thomas Blackmore was the eldest child (born 1838 in Barnstaple, North Devon) to William and Sarah Blackmore. Thomas's father, William Blackmore was born in 1812 at Bideford, North Devon. His mother Sarah Blackmore (maiden name believed to be Thomas) was born in 1816 in Upper Grand River, British North America, Canada (listed as a British subject) Further research is necessary and will be difficult as no immigration lists exist from Canada to England for this particular period of time. Furthermore official birth and marriage records only started from 1860 in Canada - prior to this the only records are church or land records. Contact has been made with Library and Archives of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario as well as Geneaology Groups in Upper Canada and Ontario with a view as how to proceed with this research. Progress and further details are listed in Items of Historical Interest.
At the time of writing this (updated February 2019) research has verified that Ellen Nicholls was baptised in 1838 at St peters church, Meriden, Warwickshire. Baptism Records show that her parents were John Nicholls and Ann Nicholls nee Pettifer. Warwickshire parish records list the baptism of Ellen Nicholls. This last record lists their abode as Marston Green. As the name Warwickshire, Marston (Green) appears on a number of census records for Ellen Nicholls and on subsequent returns after her marriage to Thomas Blackmore it would seem reasonable to assume that this one is correct. This also confirms that her parents were John and Ann Nicholls.
The 1841 census shows Thomas Blackmore at High Street, Barnstaple. The census lists, Richard and Mary Blackmore as aged 45 and 40 Yrs respectively. The census also lists seven children at home – Mary aged 20 Yrs, Richard and John both aged 15 Yrs (twins), Robert aged 14 Yrs, Elizabeth aged 12 Yrs, Ellen aged 7 Yrs and Thomas aged 4 Yrs. A number of 1841 census reports have been examined and conflicting details have emerged. As a result more research is necessary to verify all the details.
The 1851 census shows Ellen Nicholls aged 13 Yrs working as a House Servant at the home of Charles and Mary Hands. The address shown appears to be Elms Cottage, Cherry Lane, Aston, Birmingham.
The 1851 census shows Thomas Blackmore .as aged 13 Yrs and living with his mother Sarah aged 35 Yrs, his two brothers John R and John C aged 10 Yrs and 1 Yr respectively. The census shows them living in Benthams Square, Minster, Sheerness. His mother is aged 35 Yrs and listed as a "wife of a Seaman in the R.N". Her birthplace is now shown more clearly as Upper Grand River, British North America, Canada. William Blackmore is not listed in this census. Information obtained from the National Archves at Kew show that he served in the Royal Navy between 27th April 1842 until the the 31st March 1851. More details about his Naval History are shown on the page "items of historical interest" on this site.
There is also a case for further research around the time of his wife's birth. Evidence so far gained, although still to be pursued suggests there was a strong British Army / Naval presence in the region of her birth prior to and for some time after the War of 1812 in Upper Canada. Further research is still required to clarify the movement of Thomas Blackmore and his family prior to and in between the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census dates. Clearly the movement of the family may be difficult to document as some of these events fall between census years. Furthermore, although still to be verified is the possibility that Thomas's father may have been married before - possibly prior to joining the Navy.
In the case of Ellen Nicholls, initial research suggested that both parents had died some time between 1841 - 1851 although later research suggests this is not the case and is still to be verified.
The 1861 Wales census lists Ellen Nicholls, aged 24 Yrs, living in Norton, Radnor, Hereford. She is living at the Boultibrooke Estate working as a Kitchen Maid.
The 1861 Wales census lists Thomas Blackmore aged 23 Yrs, living at High Street, Presteigne, Radnor, Hereford. He's living with his parents William and Sarah Blackmore, aged 48 and 43 Yrs respectively. Also listed at this address are Charles Blackmore age 20 Yrs and William Blackmore age 16 Yrs. William Blackmore Snr is listed as a Bugle Major in the Radnorshire Rifles. His wife is listed as a "Bugle Major's Wife". Thomas is also in the Radnorshire Rifles as a Bugler. Charles is listed as a Confectioner and William Jnr as a Shoemaker. Charles's birthplace is shown as Salisbury, North Devon and William Jnr is shown as Sheerness, Kent. Further research is still necessary to clarify the movement of the family.
The 1871 census finds Thomas and Ellen Blackmore living at Banner Tree Cottage (schedule no 6) Stapleton, Presteigne. Thomas and Ellen married in 1862. Thomas is listed as a Militia Hospital Sargent. Both Thomas and Ellen are shown as aged 33 Yrs. Also listed are John aged 8 Yrs, Daniel aged 6 Yrs, Henrietta aged 4 Yrs, Oliver aged 3 Yrs, Louisa aged 1 Yr and Amelia aged 2 weeks.
The 1881 census finds that Thomas and Ellen Blackmore and their family have moved to Birmingham and are living in the parish of St Martins and living at 24 Wrentham Street. Thomas and Ellen are listed as 43 Yrs of age. Thomas is now working as a Gardener. Also listed are John aged 17 Yrs, Henrietta aged 14 Yrs, Oliver aged 13 Yrs, Louisa aged 11 Yrs, Amelia aged 10 Yrs, Ellen aged 6 Yrs, Alice aged 5 Yrs, Edward aged 2 Yrs and Isabella aged 1 Yr.
The 1891 census finds the family still at 24 Wrentham Street, Birmingham. Thomas and Ellen are both now aged 53 Yrs. Thomas is still working as a Gardener. The census also lists Louisa aged 21 Yrs, Amelia aged 20 Yrs, Thomas aged 18 Yrs, Ellen aged 16 Yrs, Alice aged 15 Yrs, Edward aged 12 Yrs, Mable aged 11 Yrs, Maggie aged.7 Yrs.
Thomas Blackmore died in 1893 aged 56 Yrs. The 1901 and 1911 census shows that after the death of Thomas Blackmore, Ellen Blackmore moved to 87 Conybere Street and remained there until she died in 1916 aged 77 Yrs.
Ellen Blackmore (daughter) married Albert Harvey on 11th June 1893 at Christ Church, Sparkbrook.
An extract from a 1913 map of this area showing the location of Wrentham Street and it's close proximity to Ashley Street, Birmingham is shown on the page of "other photographs that support family history" Image by courtesy of the Birmingham History Forum
My father's maternal grandparents were Thomas Blackmore and Ellen Blackmore nee Nicholls
Initially, the Blackmore family seemed to present no significant problems or challenges in researching their history, however, as research progressed it became obvious that this was not the case. As with all research into family history, details of parents and their children going backwards as well as forwards are always worth checking - this has proved to be very much the case in this instance. A number of 1841 census reports have been examined and conflicting or confusing details have emerged. The information shown on the 1851 census triggered more research into William Blackmore's military history - details of which are shown on the page covering researching our Great Great Grandparents and the Historical Notes.
Thomas Blackmore was the eldest child (born 1838 in Barnstaple, North Devon) to William and Sarah Blackmore. Thomas's father, William Blackmore was born in 1812 at Bideford, North Devon. His mother Sarah Blackmore (maiden name believed to be Thomas) was born in 1816 in Upper Grand River, British North America, Canada (listed as a British subject) Further research is necessary and will be difficult as no immigration lists exist from Canada to England for this particular period of time. Furthermore official birth and marriage records only started from 1860 in Canada - prior to this the only records are church or land records. Contact has been made with Library and Archives of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario as well as Geneaology Groups in Upper Canada and Ontario with a view as how to proceed with this research. Progress and further details are listed in Items of Historical Interest.
At the time of writing this (updated February 2019) research has verified that Ellen Nicholls was baptised in 1838 at St peters church, Meriden, Warwickshire. Baptism Records show that her parents were John Nicholls and Ann Nicholls nee Pettifer. Warwickshire parish records list the baptism of Ellen Nicholls. This last record lists their abode as Marston Green. As the name Warwickshire, Marston (Green) appears on a number of census records for Ellen Nicholls and on subsequent returns after her marriage to Thomas Blackmore it would seem reasonable to assume that this one is correct. This also confirms that her parents were John and Ann Nicholls.
The 1841 census shows Thomas Blackmore at High Street, Barnstaple. The census lists, Richard and Mary Blackmore as aged 45 and 40 Yrs respectively. The census also lists seven children at home – Mary aged 20 Yrs, Richard and John both aged 15 Yrs (twins), Robert aged 14 Yrs, Elizabeth aged 12 Yrs, Ellen aged 7 Yrs and Thomas aged 4 Yrs. A number of 1841 census reports have been examined and conflicting details have emerged. As a result more research is necessary to verify all the details.
The 1851 census shows Ellen Nicholls aged 13 Yrs working as a House Servant at the home of Charles and Mary Hands. The address shown appears to be Elms Cottage, Cherry Lane, Aston, Birmingham.
The 1851 census shows Thomas Blackmore .as aged 13 Yrs and living with his mother Sarah aged 35 Yrs, his two brothers John R and John C aged 10 Yrs and 1 Yr respectively. The census shows them living in Benthams Square, Minster, Sheerness. His mother is aged 35 Yrs and listed as a "wife of a Seaman in the R.N". Her birthplace is now shown more clearly as Upper Grand River, British North America, Canada. William Blackmore is not listed in this census. Information obtained from the National Archves at Kew show that he served in the Royal Navy between 27th April 1842 until the the 31st March 1851. More details about his Naval History are shown on the page "items of historical interest" on this site.
There is also a case for further research around the time of his wife's birth. Evidence so far gained, although still to be pursued suggests there was a strong British Army / Naval presence in the region of her birth prior to and for some time after the War of 1812 in Upper Canada. Further research is still required to clarify the movement of Thomas Blackmore and his family prior to and in between the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census dates. Clearly the movement of the family may be difficult to document as some of these events fall between census years. Furthermore, although still to be verified is the possibility that Thomas's father may have been married before - possibly prior to joining the Navy.
In the case of Ellen Nicholls, initial research suggested that both parents had died some time between 1841 - 1851 although later research suggests this is not the case and is still to be verified.
The 1861 Wales census lists Ellen Nicholls, aged 24 Yrs, living in Norton, Radnor, Hereford. She is living at the Boultibrooke Estate working as a Kitchen Maid.
The 1861 Wales census lists Thomas Blackmore aged 23 Yrs, living at High Street, Presteigne, Radnor, Hereford. He's living with his parents William and Sarah Blackmore, aged 48 and 43 Yrs respectively. Also listed at this address are Charles Blackmore age 20 Yrs and William Blackmore age 16 Yrs. William Blackmore Snr is listed as a Bugle Major in the Radnorshire Rifles. His wife is listed as a "Bugle Major's Wife". Thomas is also in the Radnorshire Rifles as a Bugler. Charles is listed as a Confectioner and William Jnr as a Shoemaker. Charles's birthplace is shown as Salisbury, North Devon and William Jnr is shown as Sheerness, Kent. Further research is still necessary to clarify the movement of the family.
The 1871 census finds Thomas and Ellen Blackmore living at Banner Tree Cottage (schedule no 6) Stapleton, Presteigne. Thomas and Ellen married in 1862. Thomas is listed as a Militia Hospital Sargent. Both Thomas and Ellen are shown as aged 33 Yrs. Also listed are John aged 8 Yrs, Daniel aged 6 Yrs, Henrietta aged 4 Yrs, Oliver aged 3 Yrs, Louisa aged 1 Yr and Amelia aged 2 weeks.
The 1881 census finds that Thomas and Ellen Blackmore and their family have moved to Birmingham and are living in the parish of St Martins and living at 24 Wrentham Street. Thomas and Ellen are listed as 43 Yrs of age. Thomas is now working as a Gardener. Also listed are John aged 17 Yrs, Henrietta aged 14 Yrs, Oliver aged 13 Yrs, Louisa aged 11 Yrs, Amelia aged 10 Yrs, Ellen aged 6 Yrs, Alice aged 5 Yrs, Edward aged 2 Yrs and Isabella aged 1 Yr.
The 1891 census finds the family still at 24 Wrentham Street, Birmingham. Thomas and Ellen are both now aged 53 Yrs. Thomas is still working as a Gardener. The census also lists Louisa aged 21 Yrs, Amelia aged 20 Yrs, Thomas aged 18 Yrs, Ellen aged 16 Yrs, Alice aged 15 Yrs, Edward aged 12 Yrs, Mable aged 11 Yrs, Maggie aged.7 Yrs.
Thomas Blackmore died in 1893 aged 56 Yrs. The 1901 and 1911 census shows that after the death of Thomas Blackmore, Ellen Blackmore moved to 87 Conybere Street and remained there until she died in 1916 aged 77 Yrs.
Ellen Blackmore (daughter) married Albert Harvey on 11th June 1893 at Christ Church, Sparkbrook.
An extract from a 1913 map of this area showing the location of Wrentham Street and it's close proximity to Ashley Street, Birmingham is shown on the page of "other photographs that support family history" Image by courtesy of the Birmingham History Forum
The Harvey Family,
Pictured left is an early photograph of the author's father, William Harvey. The picture was probably taken around the time of his first marriage to Gertrude Gladys Palmer about 1926.
At the time of his birth William had an elder brother Edmund Harvey aged 5yrs and a sister Louisa Harvey aged 3yrs.
The 1901 census lists my father's family as living at 25 Ashley Street, Birmingham. The census shows my grandfather, Albert Harvey as aged 27 Yrs as a worker at home. My grandmother, Ellen Harvey as aged 26 Yrs and at home. My grandfather's occupation is listed as "coal-yard keeper" and in later years he either managed or owned the business. Clearly, my father isn't listed on the 1901 census.
In 1900 no 25 Ashley was occupied by Henry Insley, Coal Dealer. At the time of writing I have been unable to obtain other information relating to the Harvey family at this address. However, a 1904 trade directory lists Albert Harvey as a Coal Merchant at 36 Bissell Street, Birmingham. As this street is in the same proximity to Ashley Street, it’s quite possible that the family had moved or had remained at Ashley Street and now operated a business from Bissell Street. As these dates fall between the 1901 and 1911 census some further research is required.
An extract from a 1913 map of this area showing the location of Ashley Street and it's close proximity to Wrentham Street, Birmingham is shown on the page of "other photographs that support family history" Image by courtesy of the Birmingham History Forum
Coal was delivered to homes by means of horse and cart. I remember my father telling me that as child he had walked home from the coal-yard with his father at night. He would sometimes walk home with his father (Albert) and they would walk in the middle of the road with my grandfather carrying a horse whip hung loosely around his neck. Any undesirable characters that stepped out of the darkness would be quickly be dealt with by means of the horse whip! .Birmingham was a tough place to live in during this period.
Between the birth of my father in 1901 and up to the end of WW1 home, living conditions and family life were quite tough for the Harvey family. His sister Louisa died in 1905 aged 8 Yrs. From 1905 to 1911 his parents had another three children – a daughter, Winifred. A look inside the 1911 census shows that in addition to the three living children, Ellen had another 3 children – none of which survived.
The 1911 census also shows that the family were now living at 94 Arden Road, Saltley. They had also taken in two Boarders – clearly to ease the financial situation. Between 1911 and 1914 Ellen had another two children – Albert Frank born in 1912 and John Lewis born 1913. His elder brother Edmund was called up and joined the army in 1914 and was sent to France. Unfortunately Albert Harvey died in 1915 – things couldn’t have got much worse!
William Harvey had shown quite a talent for drawing and had hoped to take an apprenticeship as a Draughtsman when he competed school. Domestic conditions changed everything in 1915 - parish relief or whatever help was available at this time was poor if indeed any was available at all. During this period, his younger sister, Winifred was sent to the Bluecoat School in Harborne staying on a weekly basis - the family just couldn't afford to keep her at home. William's task on a Monday morning was to take his sister to Harborne and then collect her again at the end of the week.
The school authorities were aware of the acute domestic circumstances at home, and as such William was told to leave school and get a job to support his mother and the young family. It wasn't an option or choice it was just how it was! He had learnt his 3 R's and that would have to do. As an aside to all this he was told that on his way to the Labour Exchange he should call in at the Army Recruitment Office for his medical to serve in WW1 - for when he was needed. William's name was taken and he was ready to go - at probably just 15 Yrs of age.
The 1901 census lists my father's family as living at 25 Ashley Street, Birmingham. The census shows my grandfather, Albert Harvey as aged 27 Yrs as a worker at home. My grandmother, Ellen Harvey as aged 26 Yrs and at home. My grandfather's occupation is listed as "coal-yard keeper" and in later years he either managed or owned the business. Clearly, my father isn't listed on the 1901 census.
In 1900 no 25 Ashley was occupied by Henry Insley, Coal Dealer. At the time of writing I have been unable to obtain other information relating to the Harvey family at this address. However, a 1904 trade directory lists Albert Harvey as a Coal Merchant at 36 Bissell Street, Birmingham. As this street is in the same proximity to Ashley Street, it’s quite possible that the family had moved or had remained at Ashley Street and now operated a business from Bissell Street. As these dates fall between the 1901 and 1911 census some further research is required.
An extract from a 1913 map of this area showing the location of Ashley Street and it's close proximity to Wrentham Street, Birmingham is shown on the page of "other photographs that support family history" Image by courtesy of the Birmingham History Forum
Coal was delivered to homes by means of horse and cart. I remember my father telling me that as child he had walked home from the coal-yard with his father at night. He would sometimes walk home with his father (Albert) and they would walk in the middle of the road with my grandfather carrying a horse whip hung loosely around his neck. Any undesirable characters that stepped out of the darkness would be quickly be dealt with by means of the horse whip! .Birmingham was a tough place to live in during this period.
Between the birth of my father in 1901 and up to the end of WW1 home, living conditions and family life were quite tough for the Harvey family. His sister Louisa died in 1905 aged 8 Yrs. From 1905 to 1911 his parents had another three children – a daughter, Winifred. A look inside the 1911 census shows that in addition to the three living children, Ellen had another 3 children – none of which survived.
The 1911 census also shows that the family were now living at 94 Arden Road, Saltley. They had also taken in two Boarders – clearly to ease the financial situation. Between 1911 and 1914 Ellen had another two children – Albert Frank born in 1912 and John Lewis born 1913. His elder brother Edmund was called up and joined the army in 1914 and was sent to France. Unfortunately Albert Harvey died in 1915 – things couldn’t have got much worse!
William Harvey had shown quite a talent for drawing and had hoped to take an apprenticeship as a Draughtsman when he competed school. Domestic conditions changed everything in 1915 - parish relief or whatever help was available at this time was poor if indeed any was available at all. During this period, his younger sister, Winifred was sent to the Bluecoat School in Harborne staying on a weekly basis - the family just couldn't afford to keep her at home. William's task on a Monday morning was to take his sister to Harborne and then collect her again at the end of the week.
The school authorities were aware of the acute domestic circumstances at home, and as such William was told to leave school and get a job to support his mother and the young family. It wasn't an option or choice it was just how it was! He had learnt his 3 R's and that would have to do. As an aside to all this he was told that on his way to the Labour Exchange he should call in at the Army Recruitment Office for his medical to serve in WW1 - for when he was needed. William's name was taken and he was ready to go - at probably just 15 Yrs of age.
"There's another day to live"
He managed to get employment at The Anglo American Oil Company who were operating in Landor Street, Birmingham. He worked as an attendant filling Petrol Tanks and Tankers using hand operated pumps. (In later years his shoulders were never any good and he suffered quite badly from arthritis) A trade directory for 1910 lists The Anglo American Oil Company as Oil Merchants in Landor Street, Saltley. Landor Street / Lawley Street was a continuation of Arden Road where he lived - he could walk to work!
The family history between these years has been difficult to document.
The electoral register gives some clues and conclusions have been drawn from these records. Throughout the years from 1912 - 1925 the family lived at 94 Arden Road, Saltley. There were no elections during WW1 the first taking place in 1918.
In 1916 Ellen Harvey married Lewis Scragg - unfortunately this marriage was cut short with the early death of her second husband in 1919. Lewis Scragg was 41 Yrs of age.
The electoral register for 1918 lists Edmund Harvey at this address having completed WW1 service. The next register for 1920 lists Ellen Scragg, William and Frank Harvey at this address.
At some stage William must have learnt to drive - probably when he was working at the Anglo American Oil Company. During this time William had numerous jobs trying to ensure that his mother and the family were supported. At some stage, William moved jobs, working for one of the paper makers in the area. The Kellys 1880 trade directory lists a number of paper makers in Birmingham for this period of time. Smith, Stone and Knight had an office in Landor Street, Union Paper Mills, Saltley, Birmingham Paper Mills Co., Cattle's Grove, Nechells. All of these were within easy reach of Arden Road and he could possibly have worked at any one of these manufacturers.
Historical note - No driving test was required and my father must have applied for and was granted a driving licence. Driving tests were not introduced until 1930.
In 1921 Ellen Scragg now widowed for. a second time married Frederick Fisher in 1921.
The expression "there's another day to live" was one I heard my father say on many occasions. When there was a surplus of food left from a meal - if any was left, it was saved for the following day - nothing was to be wasted! Wherever possible if another meal could be made from the surplus or could at least be finished the following day - it was. Looking at the family history around the time he was supporting his mother and family it must have been very much a "hand to mouth existence" - there wasn't any surplus!
Between 1921 and 1925 the electoral registers show that the family continued living at 94 Arden Road.
The family history between these years has been difficult to document.
The electoral register gives some clues and conclusions have been drawn from these records. Throughout the years from 1912 - 1925 the family lived at 94 Arden Road, Saltley. There were no elections during WW1 the first taking place in 1918.
In 1916 Ellen Harvey married Lewis Scragg - unfortunately this marriage was cut short with the early death of her second husband in 1919. Lewis Scragg was 41 Yrs of age.
The electoral register for 1918 lists Edmund Harvey at this address having completed WW1 service. The next register for 1920 lists Ellen Scragg, William and Frank Harvey at this address.
At some stage William must have learnt to drive - probably when he was working at the Anglo American Oil Company. During this time William had numerous jobs trying to ensure that his mother and the family were supported. At some stage, William moved jobs, working for one of the paper makers in the area. The Kellys 1880 trade directory lists a number of paper makers in Birmingham for this period of time. Smith, Stone and Knight had an office in Landor Street, Union Paper Mills, Saltley, Birmingham Paper Mills Co., Cattle's Grove, Nechells. All of these were within easy reach of Arden Road and he could possibly have worked at any one of these manufacturers.
Historical note - No driving test was required and my father must have applied for and was granted a driving licence. Driving tests were not introduced until 1930.
In 1921 Ellen Scragg now widowed for. a second time married Frederick Fisher in 1921.
The expression "there's another day to live" was one I heard my father say on many occasions. When there was a surplus of food left from a meal - if any was left, it was saved for the following day - nothing was to be wasted! Wherever possible if another meal could be made from the surplus or could at least be finished the following day - it was. Looking at the family history around the time he was supporting his mother and family it must have been very much a "hand to mouth existence" - there wasn't any surplus!
Between 1921 and 1925 the electoral registers show that the family continued living at 94 Arden Road.
In 1926 my father married his first wife, Gertrude Gladys Palmer. My sister, Gertrude Ellen Harvey was born in 1927. Electoral register for 1930 show them living at 699 Alum Rock Road, Saltley. Further searches of these registers show that Ellen and Frederick Fisher, Winifred Harvey were still living at 94 Arden Road. They also show a Mabel Liney living at this address - possibly a boarder.
The picture left shows a group of drivers at the May Day Parade in Cannon Hill Park in 1928. My father is on the extreme left of this picture. Note the Albert Chain - very fashionable. William Harvey had joined the Birmingham Co-operative Society in 1926. He continued working there until his retirement in 1967 - some 43 years. At the time he joined this company it would probably have been known as the Birmingham Industrial
Co-operative Society.
Had my father have known, things were shortly going to take a turn for the worse. His mother's third husband, Frederick Fisher died in 1933. Two years later, my father's first wife died in 1935 leaving him to look after an 8 Yr old daughter. Things looked bleak once again for the Harvey family.
The Electoral register for 1935 show the family living at 701 Alum Rock Road, Birmingham and list William, his younger brothers Frank Albert and John Lewis together with their mother Ellen Fisher.
Ellen Fisher never remarried again. Electoral registers 1939 through to 1955 show that she continued living with either of her younger sons and in later years lived with Frank Albert Harvey and his wife Catherine at 10 Mead Crescent, Birmingham . Ellen Fisher died in 1957 aged 83 Yrs.
The Electoral register for 1935 show the family living at 701 Alum Rock Road, Birmingham and list William, his younger brothers Frank Albert and John Lewis together with their mother Ellen Fisher.
Ellen Fisher never remarried again. Electoral registers 1939 through to 1955 show that she continued living with either of her younger sons and in later years lived with Frank Albert Harvey and his wife Catherine at 10 Mead Crescent, Birmingham . Ellen Fisher died in 1957 aged 83 Yrs.
In 1936 my father, William Harvey married Dorothy Evelyn Uncles on the 1st March of that year. The picture left shows a family day out with the author's parents and grandparents. My sister Trudie is standing on the extreme right next to my grandmother. The author's mother is standing second from the left next to her father, Thomas Uncles. All the family had motorcycles and used to have outings at the weekends - certainly up to the outbreak of WW2 in 1939.
The same year they were married my parents moved to 23 Morestead Avenue, Sheldon, Birmingham. They remained at this address for the remainder of their lives. My sister was with them until around 1945 when she joined the WRNS. She served in the WRNS until 1956 after which time she married William John Driver. The author lived at home until his marriage in 1969 to Christine Sophia Caisley.
The same year they were married my parents moved to 23 Morestead Avenue, Sheldon, Birmingham. They remained at this address for the remainder of their lives. My sister was with them until around 1945 when she joined the WRNS. She served in the WRNS until 1956 after which time she married William John Driver. The author lived at home until his marriage in 1969 to Christine Sophia Caisley.
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